T-drift and similar grip tires

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T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby tatmanfish » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:04 am

Ive been running HPI T-drifts but I really like the stretched tire look(diamond cut). I was wondering if anyone knew what tire compounds have comparable grip to the T-drifts?

Im running on mostly smooth-slightly rough asphault and smooth concrete.

Any brands or compounds people have used with a semi-comparable grip would help a bunch. Thanks guys.

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby SubIElove » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:54 pm

Tried the t drifts on my car last night. Felt great, Just ordered a set.

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Breitling » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:44 pm

See, i have questiosn about compound as well. if I use a plastic tire the car feels like its on ice and very unstable in linear throttle.

I wanna knwo what htis guy is using... he gets SUPER speed from a stop.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOEkYOHoeac

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Sir Slide Alot » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:02 am

Supersonic drifting is no fun.

but, the tires are most likely hpi A-type drift tires.
...Why so much smoke... Because drift car...

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Breitling » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:05 am

What is supersonic drifting?

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Sir Slide Alot » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:59 am

Really fast.
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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Breitling » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:42 am

have you ever done it in real life? the slow stuff is the equivalent of doing fishtails i na parking lot. 3rd gear drifitng is the biggest rush i nthe world. I PREFER high speed drifting in real life and RC. Its more realistic.

That slow RC drifitng is more like gymkhana or autocross..... comparitively speaking.

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Sir Slide Alot » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:08 am

real cars don't drift at 300 mph, scale drifting shouldn't at 30mph.

And CS is better slow, more control.
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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Breitling » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:15 am

We also dont do real drifitng on 20 inch wheels...... and, the tire wall thickness of a real tire isnt 10mm..... and our cars dont use 5400 size electric motors..... Brakes what?


ALSO, MY DRIFT CAR ISNT 4wd..... I DONT KNOW OF MANY OTHERS WHO DO THAT EITHER.....

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby FunkRenegade » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:21 am

Real drift cars don't behave like that. Drifting is all about flowing smoothly, not herky jerky snap oversteer then grip again all of a sudden and shoot off. Even if the toy cars we play with are 4wd, they're tuned to mimic how 1:1 cars move. It's a "either you get it, or you don't" type of thing. Slap on some rubber tires and go crazy.

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby tokeyo83 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:23 pm

FunkRenegade wrote:Real drift cars don't behave like that. Drifting is all about flowing smoothly, not herky jerky snap oversteer then grip again all of a sudden and shoot off. Even if the toy cars we play with are 4wd, they're tuned to mimic how 1:1 cars move. It's a "either you get it, or you don't" type of thing. Slap on some rubber tires and go crazy.


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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Breitling » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:36 am

FunkRenegade wrote:Real drift cars don't behave like that. Drifting is all about flowing smoothly, not herky jerky snap oversteer then grip again all of a sudden and shoot off. Even if the toy cars we play with are 4wd, they're tuned to mimic how 1:1 cars move. It's a "either you get it, or you don't" type of thing. Slap on some rubber tires and go crazy.



Have you ever been inside a real drift car that is going faster than 30mph??? IT'S VERY "Jerky" the way it snaps back and forth through transitions. Even guys who have 10 years exp. in Japan street drifting will tell you that. You say that drifting is about "flowing smoothly".... What drifting are you watching? Do you see on formula D how hard those cars snap under steer? Or are you ONLY watching drift cartoons where it looks like they are on ice and put a cup of water in the cup holder?

Bottom line, real drifting is about CONSTANTLY throttling out of under steer because you car wants to straighten out and its very un-fluid and jerky.

Back to my original question, have you ever drifted a real car that is "set up" in 2nd or 3rd gear?

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby FunkRenegade » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:18 am

It's about the perceived motion. 1:1 cars simply don't move like that from outside perspective. If you watch 1:1 and compare, 1:1 moves alot slower and gives you a sense of "weight".

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Breitling » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:25 am

i'll buy that. I deff. think some people dont realize how "jerky" drifting really is until they are driving or sitting shotgun?

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Sir Slide Alot » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:29 am

It may feel jerky and fast but from the outside it looks slow and smooth, well if i could say 185 kmh entry is slow...
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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby GenkiRF » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:41 pm

Both perspectives from Koguchi in his og 180, minus seat belts. Smooth as can be from the outside, which is what I figure most people would want their car to look like... because it looks damn cool. Don't know why anyone would want their car to look like a person being thrown back and forth in their bucket seat..

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Breitling » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:51 pm

It's not the same. His "distance" and the shape of the track allow for what you perceive as fluid. The close quarters tight turn slow rc drifting tracks are not the same (in relative perspective). Also. What looks fluid to the viewer is way different from the drivers experience. Trust me. I am a real drifter who does this as a hobby. I might know a thing or two. No offense.

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby GenkiRF » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:11 pm

Breitling wrote:It's not the same. His "distance" and the shape of the track allow for what you perceive as fluid. The close quarters tight turn slow rc drifting tracks are not the same (in relative perspective). Also. What looks fluid to the viewer is way different from the drivers experience. Trust me. I am a real drifter who does this as a hobby. I might know a thing or two. No offense.


When you are drifting an RC car, you are taking the viewers perspective. I've followed the drift scene for over 12 years, I know what you're talking about, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Why do you want your car to look like you being tossed around in your seat?

As for short, tight, rc drift tracks... looks fluid to me:



And it's driver skill that allows for what the viewer perceives as fluid. 1:1 and 1:10 aha. No offense man.
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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby tatmanfish » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:55 pm

weight balance between 1:1 and 1:10 plays a huge role in that jerkyness as well as scale speed.

a 1:1 car has most of its weight over the front axle with very little weight over the rear. Most every 1:10 rc car has the weight in the center. It effects every aspect of the handling.

Your also talking about what the driver is feeling inside a 1:1 vs what anyone viewing it. When watching a car drift, the person viewing the car doesnt see what the driver is feeling. They see the outside of the car. If you had a camera strapped on you car with a seatbelt type harness, you would see it jerk and twitch as well. a 1:10 car will never completely handle like a 1:1 car anyways simple because of that weight distribution.

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Teles » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:13 pm

Breitling

The standard of rc drifting now day´s is to imitate battles like the real ones , at speed´s very high no one can run door to door with no one , not to mention that lines and clipping points are to forgot


Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPXI6CI2Xp8

If you want faster than this just by a nitro end put some type a "drift" tires on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l34fWADu0E

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby tatmanfish » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:20 pm

RC drifting at high speeds is like doing 300mph. no real car could ever do it.

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby FunkRenegade » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:18 pm

Scale speed is much slower than what people expect. Also, electric motor eliminates the need for transmission, so full throttle in 2nd or 3rd gear(1:1) is meaningless. That's why holding low throttle in RC is like hitting rev limiter in 1:1. Electric motors don't have to spool up like internal combustion engines, and you have maximum torque right away from dead stop. Going full throttle on RC is like going balls out on your highest gear in 1:1. Full throttle in RC is completely different from 1:1.

Another thing is, physics doesn't exactly scale down to 1:10, so scaling down 1:1 geometry to 1:10 doesn't work. I know there are alot of scale enthusiasts, but if you were to scale down a full size drifter perfectly down to 1:10 scale, it's simply not going to work.

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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby multi-bash » Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:12 pm

ON topic... I've run all the clones and the t-drifts are the grippiest by far. yokomo, tamiya are all too expensive imho for a typical day of drifting. I like the r2 tdrift clones ultimately, great price, enough traction to be fun. The diamond r2 I have seems to be closer to hard plastic than cush tdrift or even the clones.

OFF topic... it's all about the driver. Sure, you can power shift and chirp tires and rock every bolt in the drivline and gain a few tenths... maybe. Or you can drive smooth and powerfully, and have a car that lasts longer. You can drift a car hard and still be smooth, just as in road racing.
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Re: T-drift and similar grip tires

Postby Breitling » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:30 pm

link to knockoff T-drifts?


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