Yokomo Drift Package

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Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:42 pm

Make: Yokomo
Model: Drift Package

Date: Jan 14, 2010
Track surface: Black Asphalt/ Concrete
Tire: Yokomo Single Ring
Motor & ESC: Novak BL 10.5 System

Front
Camber: -6*
Toe: 0*
Kick up: 2mm
Caster hubs: 4* Modified
Ride height: 7mm
Springs: Yokomo Super Soft Ti.
Bumper weight: 80g (Stock Yok t. bumper plus another sets of weights)
Trailing Steering Block: 0*
Sway-Bar: None
Shock Oil: 25
Other: Team Suzuki Steering Links


Rear
Camber: -1*
Toe: -2* Toe-in
Kick up: 1mm
Ride height: 6
Springs: Yok Hard Ti.
Sway-Bar: 1.0 Sway bar
Shock Oil: 25
Other:

Drive Train
Gearing:
Front: 1-way diff
Center: CF Shaft
Rear: Yokomo 1.5
Spur: 70T
Pinion: 24T
Other:

Pics:
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So far Ive only been able to test out a couple of times outside, VERY hard (or different?) Waiting for the couple feet of snow to melt and for weather to get in the 40-50s to go test again.
Ive found it so far to spin out alot. Very twitchy. I know Im still learning to tune it and need to change my 'normal' drift habits and throttle control
Any recommendations, please post!
Thanks
Last edited by oski83 on Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby simarkbotak » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:54 pm

Hi oski,

I had a look at the specs of the out of the box counter-steer mr4tc-sd kit. They were using super-soft springs in the rear, and mdeium/hard in the front.

This is what I'm running, it keeps the tail-end more controllable, but still not as CS as katsumi with the 1.5 gear. :Shifty:

To start of with CS, spring choice is what I would recommend. Once you get the hang of it, you can start going harder on the rear, I think this should be able to increase CS.

I'm wondering, I see you are running a 70t spur 20t pinion combo, I'm using a 21t pinion on the stock 70t spur, and even at full tilt, the mesh is still not optimal. Just wondering if you're having this issue?
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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby robsta » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:00 pm

Hey Omar, I see both of you are using 70/20ish spur and pinion combo. Try out using a bigger spur if you can. Last week, I was using a 80/18, and my spur stripped. I had to throw in a 70/24, and man it was real punchy. You will have a easier throttle curve to deal with, rather than real punchy set up you have. Your 10.5 is very torquey so give that a try.

Please try to post a pic with your wheels turned full lock. It looks like you still need to mod the steering for the Yok. There are a couple steering racks out right now that you can use for more steering! Or you can get creative and make your own.

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:34 pm

H guys....
Thanks for the tips! |O|

I had that spur since it was recommended to me...will going to say a 24 pinion affect the 10.5 in the sense of life of the Novak?

Also, as far as the springs I have installed on it now, I was using Katsumi's set up (I think) along with the posted sheet from Yokomo (Suzuki's I think).

I have a full set of springs so I can try those out too for comparison....wouldn't hurt! :up:

As far as the mesh on them, its OK but not as smooth as my original LCG drift machine. Maybe switching to a 24 might help...I'll be sure to post if I see any difference. What specs were you looking at for the out-the-box CS kit?


Rob-I only have the shaved CHubs Katsumi gave me a tip on...Im looking to get the new Yokomo Steering to try out soon...would that allow more steering. Aside from that I have my Spektrum at 125% Any other tips n steering?

My buddy in Japan told me there is a 7* Degree Castor available in Japan. Im hoping he can pick me 1 up when he visits home in NJ in a week or so :D

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby robsta » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:12 pm

Oh no, I think I wasn't really clear on my last post. It's better to have a less punchy gear ratio so you can get good low throttle. So this is why I recommended a bigger Spur or go lower on the pinion.

Yea you will get a lot more steering with that Yokomo steering rack. Guild N One makes one also. They also make those 7 degree hubs. I guess D-like also makes a steering rack also. You got options!

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:45 pm

Nice....good to know. I'll be swapping my springs tonite and maybe test tomorrow

So Harder Springs in front = Less Grip
Soft/Medium Rear =More Grip

Correct??

Edit: Any links to optional steering racks?

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby simarkbotak » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:31 pm

Hi Oski,

Yes.. that's what I am running.. medium/hard in front and soft rear..

this was my guide:
Yokomo Drift Package Super Plus Counter Steer

I also looked at katsumi's set up on his DP, it seems like an advanced setup which I might try sooner. I can't get the same cs angle as katsumi in the arai video where he was using his stock dp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U1AvPM6XBE

I think my setup should get you an easier start into cs..

Also I would also suggest getting a bigger spur then you have a wider choice of pinions.

I'm still waiting for my spur gear adapter to finally arrive.. :evil:

I'll be looking at something like 78t/20-21t


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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Thanks for those links simarkbotak! I didn't know they had a Yokomo CS chassis like that already with the 1.5 inside!

Well here are some pics Rob you were asking me about for steering....its not much but you get the idea of where I'm at so far


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New Front Shots w/ New Springs & Adjustments:

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New Rear Shots w/ New Springs & Adjustments:
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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:05 pm

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby SpeedFreak » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:56 am

oski83 wrote:Thanks for those links simarkbotak! I didn't know they had a Yokomo CS chassis like that already with the 1.5 inside!


Yokomo doesn't when i'm correct, because the discricpion says:

The standard Super Plus chassis plus counter steer gears 1.5 (D-048) for a real nice price.


But I think its still a great way to start countersteer. It has front ball dif. So maybe need a one-way shaft, but thats personal favour.

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:37 pm

Thanks speedfreak....I thought it came all ready as a CS chassis :Think:

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby SpeedFreak » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:44 am

Still is a great chassis. And with the 1.5 Gear you should be ready starting.

Maybe need a one-way shaft, but thats personal.

And working your steering would be great if using these:

Team Suzuki Special Bell Crank (TS-2109)

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This has adjustable ackerman and should give you more steering lock easy when sharping the hubs

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:29 pm

Yes I saw these new steering links...Got everything else but want to give these a try VERY soon!

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:43 pm

Katsumi...I was saying its "twitchy" on other thread that means it can switchback very fast or spin out very fast in different throttle response...I know I will have to practice alot more on controlling more throttle but it seems very quick to switch and not too smooth. I though that maybe that added weight of 2 bumper sets makes it too heavy in front when using yok single rings since it uses mostly rubber part of inside tire?
Tires were single ring NEW in a tennis/court that has medium grip surface....
I will switch my pinion first and try it after I try the new set up I put with new springs on shocks...if its still unstable, I will try switching pinion gear...then if its still not smooth, I will switch spur gear
Any other tires you recommend for that surface(tennis courts) besides Yok single rings? I think Yokomo single ring have too much grip with that much camber(it usues mostly rubber inside edge of tire that way with - camber)

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby Katsumi » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:04 pm

How did you a throttle control ?
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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:26 pm

not sure what you are asking....How is my throttle control?

I normally 'feather' my throttle...press, let go, press, let go, press, let go...

I usually apply throttle while coming to a turn/apex....I let off entering turn while counter steering then 'feather' around corner....I let the 1-way help me spin car around while feathering and steering...then back on the throttle when coming out of turn at 3/4 full throttle...sometimes on lonnggg sweeps I stay on throttle to stay sideways but only 1/2 - 3/4 throttle....my motor is 10.5 in my DP and 7.5 on my LCG so I have alot of power with CF LCG...only need to apply very little. I almost never press forward (brake check)

I like to use weight transfer of car or faint drift to initiate and then power over and around sweep. I let 1-wy help in tight turns.

Does this help?

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby Katsumi » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:36 pm

Yes, I think your OK throttle control.

Check this Vid, part of I did figure eight, 0:30. It was not over drive set up but same way to throttle control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gLsyTQO0hw

Do you catch that I did punch of throttle at the same time when I did switch back and counter steer.
It's timing. if too late or on punch the throttle and counter steer it's spins, and too much throttle is spins too. also too long off throttle before switch back it's spins too.
And turn in sweeps I keep feather touched on throttle.
How did you do?

Also I recommended change your setup to,
Front 0 kick up, soft or medium spring, ride height 6mm(Highly the rear)
Rear camber -2, toe in 2.

Please try rear toe in 2 first. Less rear toe in is more stable.

When I used yokei tier on asphalt, I changed a new ring every two pack battery run.
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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:28 am

Hi Katsumi

THANK YOU very much for tips....I will try them and see how it changes or reacts

Now I have Alum front suspension mounts (R) with the spacer it came with + 2 more= total 3mm kick up on back of Front Diff

I already changed springs in the back to Yokomo light blue...my ride height is set to 6-7....now camber is at -1 or -2 but I will make sure its at -2...Rear toe-in I have Alum mount Yokomo stock -3...I can change to a -2 since I have that mount too ....hopefully that will help make it more stable...so far I have about 1 pack on those Yok tiers...my battery packs last me 50-60 minutes :)

How much camber you recommend in front? Leave it -6* like I have now or more or less?


ARIGATO! :up:

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby Katsumi » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:23 pm

Yes ! leave -6 front camber.

Plactice, plactice, run, run, run !
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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:56 pm

New parts adding/changing this weekend....

Team Suzuki Steering Links
2mm CVD Front & Rear
-2 Deg. Rear Susp Mount

Weather outside is WAYYYY too cold (16*F w/ Wind 3*F) to test...and too much salt residue still left. Once it gets warmer I will post results :)

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby antquinn » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:07 am

with running a 70 spur and 20 pinion your final drive is 8.236 based on a standard sd car.

is this a good FD for CS? I am running 68 - 25 = 6.400 which is great for normal 50 - 50 set up.

what is the best FD for speed and CS?

I see that most seem to run 70 / 72 spur and 20 -24 pinions - can anyone elaborate on an ausome set up?

cheers

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:36 pm

Somehow the thread I posted about sway bars is gone so I'll ask here since its about my drift package...

I was tuning the rear sway bars and when removing the screw, the holder snapped :( I'm looking to see if any other Yokomo Drift Chassis members have the small black plastic holders that screw into the back of the rear diff case

If you do, please let me know...

If not, does anyone know where to get 1 & the part #? I couldnt find just that part # or any one that sold it

I have a full set of sways, just need the little black holders

Thanks :up:

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby antquinn » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:54 pm

Hey

I have some but with living in the uk would be a waste to post to you unless its dirt cheap?

other than that you will have to buy one of the plastic parts which will have usless bits to you i bet ?

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby oski83 » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:44 pm

true...would you know the part # by chance in case I do need to purchase the whole plastic tree?

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Re: Yokomo Drift Package

Postby antquinn » Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:50 am

hey

SD-203 is the part you need.

if you need anymore part numbers jump on : http://www.yokomousa.com/

the downloads look for the ssg manual and its all in there.

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